Slow Cooker Systemic Change with Dr Jagdish Barn

Hello everyone and welcome to the second episode of my new podcast 'Agents of Hope'.

My name is Tim Cox. I am a trainee Educational Psychologist and I am passionate about psychology, hope and society.  This podcast aims to promote hopeful thinking and conversation about positive change in the field of applied educational psychology, education and wider society.

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Episode #2
In this episode, I speak to Dr Jagdish Barn. Jagdish is an experienced Educational Psychologist (of 23 years) who has developed a 'slow-cooker' approach to working with and affecting change in systems - schools, families, communities - through developing relational, curious and solution-focused practice. During the conversation, we speak about the values and narratives that underpin Jagdish's practice, from the sense of injustice developed as a schoolchild to the development of her private practice.

We try to define what a 'system' is and where we find these. We discuss acculturation, restorative practices, the difference between solution or hope-oriented and solution-focused practise and attending to the emotional aspects which underpin change. If you want to find out more about Jagdish's work you can check out her website:
https://www.focuspsychology.com
or follow her on Twitter @focuspsychology

We also try to answer some questions about hope and systemic change asked by #twitterEPs.

Suggested Reading
Acculturation
Barn, J K (2014) Acculturation preferences of primary school children of Muslim faith from different Arab ethnicities: An exploratory study https://orca.cf.ac.uk/69290/
Container Contained
Bion, W. R. (1994). Learning from experience. Jason Aronson. Chicago 
Hope Theory
Cox, T. (2020). Agents of Hope: The utility and pragmatism of hope in applied Educational Psychology practice. DECP Debate(174), 17-23
Regulate-Relate-Reason
http://www.thinkkids.org/regulate-relate-reason/
Bruce Perry's website: https://www.neurosequential.com/
Pace Approach
Hughes, D., & Golding, K. (2012). Creating loving attachments: Parenting with PACE to nurture confidence and security in the troubled child. Jessica Kingsley Publishers.
Rogerian Principles
Rogers, C. R. (1979). The foundations of the person-centered approach. Education, 100(2), 98-107. Chicago
Restorative Approaches
Johnstone, G. (2013). Restorative justice: Ideas, values, debates. Routledge.
Solution Focused Practice
Selekman, M. D. (1997). Solution-focused therapy with children: Harnessing family strengths for systemic change. Guilford Press.
Solution-Oriented Practice
Rees, I. (2008). A systemic solution-oriented model. Frameworks for practice in educational psychology: A textbook for trainees and practitioners, 162-182.
Systems
Ryan, D. P. J. (2001). Bronfenbrenner’s ecological systems theory. Retrieved January, 9, 2012.
Bronfenbrenner, U., & Morris, P. A. (2007). The bioecological model of human development. Handbook of child psychology, 1.
Trauma-informed practice
Carello, J., & Butler, L. D. (2015). Practicing what we teach: Trauma-informed educational practice. Journal of Tea

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Dr Jagdish Barn and how she became the EP she is
• 8:41 Working with systems and the importance of language
• 21:38 Acculturation as a fluid process
• 32:55 Developing a relational approach - Regulate-Relate-Reason and Playful, Acceptance, Curious and Empathetic Approaches
• 36:23 Solution focused and oriented approaches to working systemically
• 42:35 Cycles of change and understanding emotional needs that might inhibit readiness for change using the Human Givens approach and the idea of exceptions.
• 54:54 How do we work systemically during this global pandemic?
• 1:12:36 Questions from the #twittereps and facebook EP community - How might we facilitate systemic change post Covid-19? Are EPs undervalued and underused as a profession?
• 1:31:06 Concluding remarks